Some people are afraid to invest that money in himself especially large amounts of money because you think oh, you know, what could they actually teach me? But it's not necessarily about what they're teaching you. It's about who you're meeting. Welcome back to the art of connecting podcast. This is your host, your Haydynn Fike back with another guest for you guys. It's fun because it's my second podcast that I've done today. I just interviewed Jack. He wanted me to say hi to you, by the way. Jack Sorenson. Oh, sweet. Yeah. Yeah. I'm here with Brandon And me and Brandon met through the action academy as well. Kind of rhymes with a lot of my guests that I have on the show is this is the commonality of how we meet. But me and Brandon met in action academy. We've been on, did you go to, did you go to Costa Rica or to, I've been on two trips? Yeah. We've been in Cabo and Tulum together on different mastermind retreats. And it's been pleasure to get to know this guy and to be here for three weeks in Maui and seeing what they're doing. So how's it going, man? Doing great. You got, I'm pumped to be on. I'm glad we got to hang out for the past three weeks here in Maui. Yeah. I'm excited. We get to do some person too. It's not very often. I get to do the in-person shows. So yeah, also we're literally in the hostel right now. If you're listening to this and there's random noises. This is real. This is real life. We're recording here in person. So it's pretty awesome. So Brandon, why don't you go ahead and just introduce yourself to the audience and tell people who you are. Yeah. So quick story about me. I recently left my corporate W2 job after eight years. I spent my whole career in tech sales. But over that time I had done various different side hustles from marketing, Wholesaling real estate, ultimately to working in this hostile business now. So really, I guess the, you know, the main theme of my story is just trying a whole bunch of different things. Connecting with different people so that I could figure out what I was actually really passionate about, because even though my corporate job was. It was great. In some ways I knew it. Wasn't what I wanted to do forever. Yeah, that's awesome, man, man, that was like the most concise introduction that I've ever had in my whole podcasting career. It's fantastic. So I kind of want to start with, I love that Brendan Turner does this in his podcast, who was Brandon? So like, Can you tell me. A little bit about when you were in your corporate career, who was Brandon? What did you do before. Yeah. So when I was in my corporate career and the reason I went that route is I've always, always wanted to like maximize my freedom and my income. So that's kind of why I went into sales. So, this is who I was in that job. I was. I was really working as hard as I could to work up the ladder so that I could ultimately maximize my income for a while in my life. My main goal was just to make as much money as possible. So, you know, that's kind of changed in the past few years because of some different life experiences, but I was always like a super hard worker do whatever it takes to win. Started off in it. I started off in a couple of startups and my mentality. Was I wanted to like build a company. You know, from the ground up, I like building things. After a couple of failed startups, I went to a bigger company, fortune 100 company. And you know, that was kind of a different story. From there, but yeah. Always trying to like. Improve climb the ladder, make more money and yeah. Yeah. So Brandon was the money getter. The Rainmaker. And bringing in the money and. What kind of realization did you have about. Just living to make money. Yeah, well, there were a few w one once I got to the point where I was making more money than I could spend. You start to realize that. You know, I achieved that goal. I was making more money than I could spend. And but I didn't have the freedom to necessarily go wherever I want. Whenever I wanted, I still had to. You know, wake up every day, doing a job that didn't excite me. Right. I was selling it equipment. So I was just like, man, am I going to still be doing this in five years, 10 years. And then the other realization was right. I'm. This is, you know, I've started having this realization in my mid twenties. I'm like, okay, I'm a single guy, my mid twenties. But eventually our reached like the cap of what I could make in corporate America. And I realized that. You know, once I have a wife and kids, I will have relatively less money than I do now because I can't continue to increase my income because there does come a point in corporate America where you can't make more money, usually around like the three, 400,000 range, which. Obviously is a good amount of money. But when you reach that, In your twenties and I feel like it also kills your ambition when there's nothing else to aim for. Right. There's like, I was just going to be plateauing for the rest of my life. If I stayed what I was doing. Yeah. Unless you go and take on exponentially more responsibility in hours, right? The CEO. Yeah, you can start making millions, but yeah, to be CEO, you have to. Keeping glue, you lose your hair, you know, like it's, it's, you're responsible for everything, right? Yeah. And then you're making all the money for the owner, right? Yeah. So. I believe like the peak human experiences, being able to wake up and do something you actually want to do. Right. A lot of jobs. It's not really what people want to be doing. Then they fall into the comfort trap of. Like, oh, this job pays me enough money. I can go on a vacation a few times a year. Don't have to worry about bills. It's not bad. And my coworkers are fine. That's a good place to be. It's better than not being able to pay your bills. But I think. You know, the whole part of life is continuing to improve and get better. Yeah. And something I've been reflecting on in this trip and Maui. There's, I was really pulled here. I feel there's a reason why God was just like pulling me to the island. Cause technically I shouldn't have come cause I didn't have everything in line and everything just ready to go. And, you know, Was offer three weeks, which I've been working a little bit, but something I've been really thinking about is the whole grass is always greener. Right? For the person who's in the entry level, corporate job making$40,000 a year. Oh, I wish I could just be an eight E making 300,000 a year. Yep. And the AA saying there, man, I wish I could just not have all the complications of what I have and worked 60 hours a week. I wish I had my time with my family. Yeah. And then the CEO is like, man, I wish I was a$40,000 a year employee again, where I was just not a care in the world and I had no stress. And then, you know, the business owner, I was, I was just walking with an AAC member here and. He was like, man, if I could be making a million a month and I was like, dude, the guys are making a million a month. Are like, man, if I could have it easier, like I did when I was making 300 a month. So. The human experience, you never really reach. That. I'm good. Yeah. Like you never get there. You can get as close as you can. Yeah. But, you know, you're never going to just be there, like, ah, I've made it. Yep. And then if you are you're there for a week and then you're like, okay. Yeah, I've, I've made it What now? Yeah. So cool. So you came to this realization that. Working for money or changing, you know, effort, time for money. And tell me about how you came to that realization. What, what opened your eyes to realize that. This isn't for me. When I realized, I would say the first year I made over$200,000 and I still felt unfulfilled essentially. A couple of years before that I had been able to. Do do some long-term travel when I was in between jobs to Asia. And I really loved having that freedom and. And now with my job, I could just see in the future where I was always going to be stuck. And one, one of the reasons that allowed me to make that much money was being I'm an outside sales rep, which means like visiting people in person. So I knew I would always have to be onsite in location. I was working from home, but I couldn't just pick up and go to Europe for a month, which you know, is something that, It's really important to me to be able to travel like that. So once I kind of looked ahead and saw that I wouldn't be able to do that. I realized I needed to do something different. Awesome. Okay. And so obviously being the architect, and I want to kind of talk about some of the different connections that you built along the way. What, what kind of comes to the top of your mind when you think about. Some of the connections along the way that helped you come to these realizations. Was there maybe when you're a corporate job, was there someone who you met that really changed your perspective on. Like what life could be. I would say there were a couple of connections that were key for me, both actually came outside of my job. So my first one was the first side hustle that I did was copywriting, which is like writing ads for online coaches. And I've been trying to get a job in that space for over a year and I just never got anything meaningful. And then I ended up getting a YouTube ad, joining this mastermind, paying$5,000, which had never spent 5,000 on anything at the time. And then I flew out to Arizona to meet these guys because they were all making money online. They were traveling and I was like, I want to do that. So I flew all the way to Arizona. Met these guys in person, and then ended up making an in-person connection at a poker game after the mastermind event that ultimately got me a side hustle that was paying me 3,500 a month, which was just solid. And. It's like the first real income I made outside of a job and made me think that, okay, this is, this is actually possible. Yeah, dude, 3,500 a month. That can be life-changing for some people it's easy to lose perspective when you are in positions. We are like, I had met a guy here that makes, he does like 1.7 a month in revenue. Right. Familiar and it's like, It's easy to. Realize it's too easy to forget. Yeah, like 3,500 a month to work a side hustle. I mean, it could be a mortgage and food, right? Yeah. To be able to live a life you could do that and just ground by, you know, And make it depending on where you live. So, yeah. That's amazing. So yeah. How did that poker game go? Tell me about How you met the person you were just happened to be at the table? What did that conversation look like? Yeah, so we, we were talking and ironically, they were like, this one guy was I need a sales guy. For my company and they knew I was in sales. And I was like, ah, I don't really want to do sales cause I want to be remote. I don't want to take sales calls. I want to do online. And I was like, well, I'll talk to. I'll talk to the guy anyways. So I, so I talked to the guy who was hiring salespeople. Yeah, let him know. I wasn't exactly interested in the sales job and I wanted to copywriting and he's like, okay, well maybe this position isn't for you, but I have another buddy. Which is hiring copywriters. So it was three layers worth of connections. That one day. Yeah. And the guy was writing for us. Pretty famous Jeremy miner. Oh yeah. Jeremy Meyer. Yeah. So it ended up getting me a. Ended up getting me a job copywriting for him. Wow. That's amazing. What did that look like? What were you doing? With Jeremy. So I was writing Facebook, a lot of Facebook ads. I'm writing landing pages, writing sales pages, writing, email campaigns everything to do with like, The copy. Okay. Got it. And where you working directly with him or was it more of just working with this team, working with his marketing? Okay. Cool. CMO. Yeah. Okay. Awesome. And was that fulfilling for you? Did you, did you enjoy it? I enjoyed it for a while. You know, I was, I was able to make the money while I was traveling. And I enjoyed it, but eventually. I was like I became, unpassionate just, just doing that. Because it wasn't really my business. I wasn't fully, fully into it. I was just a copywriter. And I also realized that being just a copywriter, wasn't going to help me hit my income goals either. So that's ultimately one of the reasons I stopped doing that is because I felt like I, I did hit a dead end eventually. Got it. Okay. And so you were traveling the world. I want to talk about that because. We're both travelers, you know? Occasionally, it will just be like, all right. I'm a pack-up for two, three weeks and go ahead. And it always like shocks, my friends, never like, yeah, I'm going to wait for three weeks. And I've booked it. Yeah. I'm going, leaving in two weeks, you know? And. But. That to me is why, why do what I do? I just scheduled a LinkedIn post for tomorrow, which if you're not following me on LinkedIn, And that's where I'm going to become really popular. I guess what I'm going to work on because LinkedIn to me is Easy. And Instagram for me was a thorn in my side. Yeah. Decided why I'm here. I think that was part of the revelations I had was I need to just focus on LinkedIn. And just do that. And I'm going to build out my LinkedIn to grow my fund and grow my brand. Yeah. Hit post. I was like, Let's talk about zoom etiquette. Cause I was I'm probably the worst at zoom Medicat. I, I met your, you know, The owner of the company you work with. And we always shirtless by the pool. And that was our first interaction and kind of threw him for a loop a little bit, but you know, yesterday on the action academy call. It was funny because I was sitting by the pool with Joe Moffitt, my. My life coach that I had and I was on the actual academy call and it was like, I saw the live beach background and, I wonder if I should go over and actually go sit in front of the beach and like, hold it back. So I did. And. Guys anyways. The zoom or the LinkedIn posts that I'm making is about zoom etiquette and The reason why I do what I do. And I'm sure this is the same for you is because. No one can just be like Haydynn you're fired. Yeah, right. No one can go on a zoom call with me and I'm in my Hawaiian shirt. I'm sure it was on the beach, whatever it is and be like, you know, they can say you don't want to work with me or they don't like that. But at the end of the day, It's my call, right. I'm not going to get fired from my job because. People would get fired for that. Right. If you show up to your corporate jobs. Yeah. By the beach, you're getting fired. Exactly right. And that's and honestly, it goes towards credibility, right? You're living the life that people want to live. And that's. Literally it attracts people to you attract the people you want to work with. Yeah. Because then you have things to talk about. Yeah. Yeah. So what are some connections that you made while traveling? Because this is something I run into is. I feel every single trip that I take, there's like just a reason behind why I'm there. There's a person that I was meant to meet. That. Maybe I end up doing business with, or even just have good conversation with. So, can you think of any of those examples when you're like overseas and maybe even in third world countries where you met people that change your perspective on business, or maybe even just met some cool people while you're out there? Yeah, actually I can think of a good one. So. The thing I was doing after copywriting, when I was making, I was making YouTube videos. But I I'd made one or two, and then I went to my friend's wedding. In Puerto Rico. Yeah. And then I ended up meeting this girl there that was also traveling and she was like building her own marketing company. And I randomly met her on Instagram and invited her to my friend's wedding and she ended up coming. And then we were just talking about how we both wanted to quit our jobs. We were trying to like quit our jobs through social media. And then, I think she got to the wedding at nine and by like midnight, well, she said she was going to Taloon the next day. And I was like, Can I come and then we ended up going to Taloon together and ended up traveling for six months together on and off. That's where I got serious about YouTube. More because I was like, I actually, it was like, okay, we can go do this together. And And yeah, it's when I would say that's kind of what propelled me to get serious about content creation, which ended up helping me do my job now, even though I didn't end up doing YouTube. It was that. It was that one connection and that also, it also fueled me, even though it didn't work out with us, fueled me to want to you know, live, live that life even more permanently because when we were traveling together, I was gone for like three weeks. Yeah. Three weeks to a month at a time. I was kind of just using fake backgrounds at work, like. Sneaking. And I was dude, I gotta be able to do this. I was saying, I want to do this without having to sneak around and stuff. So that was a. Yeah, that was probably some of the most fun, six to nine month period of my life. That's amazing. Yeah. And so when you. We're doing this. You see, you had a corporate job at the time, too? Yeah. Okay. Was that at the tech sales company? Okay. So you were doing the job that was an in-person job, but just how, how did you manage that? How'd you get around that? Well, luckily at the time we were still, there were still, it was still more flexibility with remote because it was shortly after the pandemic. I think it was well, it's 20, 23. So we, we didn't have to be in person as much. Got. So I kind of just skirted my way. Yeah, around that. Fake backgrounds. That's awesome. Yeah, a lot of stuff. So you met someone randomly ended up traveling around for six months. So much fun. I just, every time I go somewhere, You know, especially staying in hostels like this, you just meet the coolest people. Yeah. I met a flight instructor who I'm going to fly out to Tennessee, to I'm just going to pay for them for a month when he would make us a flight instructor. And be like, all right, you're my flight instructor every day. And yeah. It'll make my pilot's license. Half the price. I happened to meet that guy and. Just random things like that, or you just. There's something about the openness to connection when you're traveling. And I don't know if you've experienced this too, like. Yeah. When I'm back home. I don't just walk up to random people and say hi, or, you know, if I see a girl I think's attractive. I'm not just going to like Walt on over. That's not really me when I'm home. Yeah. But when I'm traveling, what do I lose? I don't know what it is like in my head. I wish I kind of had that when I was home too. So I'd probably do even better. Yeah, but like when I'm traveling, it just opens up this part of me that like, It's so open and willing to just talk to people. Yeah. Even more so than I am when I'm home. Yup. So, yeah, I a hundred percent agree it's so especially when you're traveling around and staying in hostels, it's so common to just go up and talk to people and meet people. Yeah. You just feel so free. You can be, you can be whoever you want. You're. You're not the persona that you are back home. You get to be a new person every day, pretty much. And then you just moved to another hospital. Totally new. Cool. Like if you get tired of someone for some people. When they're leaving. Yeah. It's such a, such a cool experience. So speaking of hostels, let's kind of transition over into that. So I want to talk about. The, you know, we're for a hostile company now, right? Yeah. And you really threw everything on the line. From what I understand. So yeah. Can you Tell me a little bit about how that transition came to be and what that looks like now. Yeah. So my transition into real estate and ultimately what I'm doing now. I was because I realized doing a lot of the online businesses I was doing, even though I enjoyed it, I wasn't going to be able to make enough money. So I decided to get into real estate. I met our friend Brian Lubin who runs action academy on Instagram. And I joined his mastermind. I found connections through his mastermind that taught me how to wholesale real estate. So I started making 10 K a month and was able to quit my job. And I didn't really like what I was doing, but and then I ended up meeting Nate who owns this hostile company. And. He joined the group. You said that he owned some hostels and I was like, dude, I love hostels. Let's talk. Yeah, so we just talked and. After the first time, nothing necessarily serious came of it with great call, but I didn't even, I didn't know how I could even make money. Working with hostile. So I was just told him, I thought what he does is cool. Send him a video. I made a review I did on a hostel, but I was just laser focused on being able to make that 10 K a month so I could quit my job. But then we went to Taloon the in-person. Yeah. And it was awesome and in-person events are a million times better for networking. And connecting. And just the people you meet at those events can literally change your life. Yeah. And that's when we got into more serious talks about how I could work with him and fill a unique role that they need. In terms of like social media content, online marketing. But also have knowledge of real estate so that you get that deep understanding of the business. So I had like a unique combination of. You know, knowing about marketing, knowing how to create content, social media, also understanding the business aspect of real estate so that I could deeply understand the business. And then just being super passionate about hostels and traveling because I stayed in so many. So yeah, it kind of hits those three things you want to look for. And an occupation, which is something you're skilled at something that lights you up and something that's a reliable and proven path towards wealth. And all three of those are really hard to hit because usually. The reliable path to wealth and what you're passionate about. That's where it's hard to get made on the line. Yeah. It's the same way for me, man. I feel like I hit the lottery. Yeah. Getting to do what I do every day. And. Alright. Everyday. I wake up, I'm excited I get to choose what I do, where I go, if I wanted to veg out and watch Netflix, which I never really would do, but I could do it. Yeah. You know? And. There's something to be said about that, but then also to have it be to where. It's so powerful to be able to help me pay my bills. You know, make. Other people running and make myself money. It's like, How crazy is that, that you get to provide amazing experiences for people. And Adam. Great price. This is literally the cheapest place you can say on the island, maybe besides Blanda, but yeah. You, this is the best price to get a bed. And yeah, you get free tour. I mean, You get so much value that packs so much value into this experience? Yeah. And you get to make a great living off of it. And it's just. This beginning, you know, it's so freaking cool. To see what's being built here. I'm so excited for it. Yeah. This has been hell of an experience. Yeah. And, and all because I've joined masterminds, the two biggest connections I told you about one for when we're from different masterminds. And I feel like a lot of people think a lot of people think when they think of coaching, they think oh, like scams, or like I would never pay someone money online. Yeah. But I personally have spent over$30,000 on mastermind fees and then 20 to 30, more on those mastermind, networking trips that I go on. So it's total total investment just on membership fees and trip costs of. 50$60,000. But without spending that and meeting the people that I met, I would, wouldn't be where I'm at now. I'd probably still be on a video call selling it equipment. Yeah. So just wondering, kind of looking out the window what if I've been there. I worked in a fortune 1 52. And you just like. I look out the window of my corner office on the sixth floor overlooking downtown. It's just Huh. It's just something feels kind of off, right? It never saw your office. Right. You don't own it. Yeah. You're renting a desk basically. And you just kind of look out. It's beautiful. Yeah. I don't know. You know what I'm talking about? Where yeah. Yeah, totally. And. And the thing is, I feel like some people are afraid to invest that money in himself especially large amounts of money because you think oh, you know, what could they actually teach me? But it's not necessarily about what they're teaching you. It's about who you're meeting. Because everything can be learned for free online, all skills. That's it. All skills had to do. Anything can be learned for free 100%. Who, who you know is 100% how you get the best opportunities in life. Yeah. It's it's like 20% skill and 80% of, you know, Right. Thank you. You need to know something. To be able to provide value, right. Because if you don't know. Anything you're just a moot, right? But with my experience, if you can just go in and learn. The content. But the application is where it's at, right? You can learn, you can sit and learn how to wholesale for 20 years and sit and learn every strategy and every bit. But if you never pick up the phone, you're not gonna make a dollar. Yeah, right. And you also, you don't have to be born with the connections either. All of the connections we have now, we weren't born with, we, we went out through networking. Yeah. Paying to join groups. It's like, it's okay to pay, to join groups. There's also a lot of free networking events. I have a lot of good connecting stories from free networking events to. But yeah. I've had the same experience. My, my best networking has been in paid rooms. Yeah. It's kind of scary. It truly is like the first time you dropped that 5k. I'm sure it was hard to click that button. Yeah, right. It was terrifying for me and full transparency. If someone joins action academy, I make like 500 bucks, but I don't care about that. Yeah, it's 500 bucks. That's cool. When someone joins the group, it's, it's scary button to click. But like I have so little to gain from preaching masterminds. And. But it's truly changed my life. yeah. When I look at who I was two and a half years ago before I joined the group and who I am now. Everything has changed. Everything. Yeah, my whole landscape of life and where I'm going. And that's not just an action academy. That's. Several people's masterminds. I just had someone on three episodes ago and he joined day parades, military millionaire mastermind. Completely changed his life. Yeah. Completely changed his life and. So, yeah, I would say if you're thinking about investing in yourself, Just do it The worst cases, you join a crappy group that ends up being bad and you've, you know, you've thrown five grand down the drain. That's something you would come back from. You know, It's and then it's going to teach you a learning experience. If you make one connection. Just one connection. You could completely. Change everything. Yep. Amazing a hundred percent. So let's talk about Mormon capital. And you mentioned, your role is social media and all that kind of stuff. Aye. I'm really interested. And if you're comfortable with sharing about it, talk about your comp. yeah. Cause when you told me about how you searched your comp it's, you're, you're going all in, you're you. Yeah. What, what I love, I love to see what people go all in. Yeah. What led you to decide to Go this route. You know, you had a great connection with Nathan and yeah. He extended an offer to you, right? Like how did that happen? And then like, how'd you come up with how you're going to make money out of it. Yeah. So, so how we're making money is a few different ways. And one, I'll say so I did set myself up into a position with my job where I could, I could go a while without making money. So for the first several months, I was just providing value for free. And not even with the ulterior motive of like, oh, this is how I'm going to get into the company. I genuinely just want to. It's fun. Yeah. Yeah, so there's the active income component, which is going to be a percentage of acquisition fees. When we acquire properties you know, I'll get a percentage of that. And then really the bigger, the big payoffs will be being GPS on the deals. And then ultimately, ultimately the goal would be to get a chunk of the company as well. So that way I get active income with the company. And then you know, and that active income portion is going to be quite a bit less than what I was making at my job. But I'm betting big on, on myself and on the company. Yeah, that, and then the long-term. The actual value is going to be in the real estate, which is which is going to be where the real money's made down the line. Right. And for me, ultimately, I, you know, I don't want to say money's not everything because it, it is important. It's important. One. One of the reasons why I wanted to quit was to make more money and that'll come later. But even though I'm making less money now than I was having so much more fun, so much more freedom. It's a, it's more worth it to me. So. And you come to a point and I'm very thankful that at 24, I realized this. 23 is really when I realized that To where money. Doesn't matter. Anymore. yeah. And I, I'm not at the financial freedom level yet. You know, like I've got four businesses, I've got a bunch going on. I think I made a hundred K last year. Yeah. But I am, you know, I made a hundred K by spin. 80. So it's like, I brought home, you know, putting my pocket maybe like 20. Yeah. Which is cool that I was able to do that, I guess, but I'm not where I want to be. Right. I want to be doing way, way better than that, but. The thing is, is a search of realize, when I reflect and think about the last year, I loved almost every minute of it. There was so little time. Where I was, where I woke up and I didn't feel good about what. Yeah. It was so minuscule. And there was almost no cons where I questioned what I was doing either. I, I constantly see the vision of where I'm going. And it, it makes sense, right? Why I'm doing what I'm doing. Sometimes you look at the balance sheet and like last month, I talked about in the last episode, it was rough month. You know, I spent six grand and I, you know, I didn't, you know, I made eight. Yeah, and I spent six, right? So. So it's like, those are tough ones, right? So. But. When you go through those. It just. Yeah, for me, it solidifies what you're doing, because it's like, I can make it. I can make it through this month. They made the next, and then we have big horizon, like of what's going to come. Yeah. That's what separates people in businessman. if you can hang in there for the first few years where you're building. That's where you're on the rollercoaster, but then it starts at straightened out and then you're okay. I'm cashing my check every month and it just keeps getting better and better. Yeah. That's amazing. Having the courage to bet on yourself. Is everything. It's what separates people. Yeah. So, what would you say to someone who is. Maybe in that corporate W2 job they're working, they're making a few hundred grand a year. Yeah. You know, they feel good about what they're doing, but they're just making money. That's all they're doing. They're not actually thriving, you know, in their head. Yeah. So what would you say to that person? Should they do. Yeah, I would say start. Start low start doing things you want to do that you can make money doing. And, and don't be afraid to start just because you don't know what the end is going to look like. All the different side hustles that didn't work out for me built me skills that ultimately got me to, to my dream position. And, and you're good. And have the realization that making money outside of a corporate job is way harder and way longer than, than anyone. Makes it seem, I mean, I'm in my, you can say that again. I'm probably, I think I'm in my six year of trying to figure out how to make money online. First two, I didn't make any money at all. The next few I was making a little bit. Did you know, spent money that. Technically, I guess you could say was wasted. I never got back, but I don't really think it's wasted because it's all about doubt, the learn, learn experience. Yeah. And, and yeah. You just have to put in so much more effort and volume than you than you think is reasonable. Yeah. Like just an action academy alone before I met Nate. They gave me this opportunity. He was probably like the 70th person in that group. I met. So if I had stopped after 50 people yeah. You know, Yeah, it probably wouldn't be where I'm at now. So. you're trying to break down a dam with a spoon. Yeah. You're like sitting there just chipping away a little stone at a time. But eventually you shipped away enough stones and the whole freaking damn breaks. Yeah. And then all of a sudden. I'm in Hawaii making videos and doing marketing content for a living. No corporate job. About to fly to Guatemala. Yeah. I can travel wherever, do whatever I want. All of a sudden. Yeah. After probably six years after I looked at how to make money online for the first time. Right? Yeah, man. He said it reminds me of I used to watch YouTube videos on personal finance when I was a kid. Yeah. I'll watch like Graham stuff. And you know, all the personal finance gurus and yeah. And then I was just like, I just don't. I felt this constant pool. I'm sure you noticed. I'm talking about this poor of like, there's something different. There's something else out there. I know there is. And I was working at Christian brothers automotive and one of the people I went to school with her dad was very wealthy, man. He, he owns the largest carwash chain in middle Tennessee and. 150 different businesses and is, has Shelby Raptor came in cause Valvoline busted off an oil cooler. Yeah. And I went up and I was like, Hey, Mr. Steve, I want to do more. I currently, this is my position. I've got like$20,000 saved up. Yeah. What should I do? And it's funny, cause this carwash was right next to the shop at where it's at. So I could like see one of his assets. Yeah. And he's like, Hey, you need to buy a house. You need to get a real estate. More wealth has made in real estate than any other industry. And he said, you can buy a house. You can put almost no money down, buy a house to start building equity. That advice was in 2019. Yeah, and I tried. I didn't know what the hell I was doing. And. If I had bought a house in 20, 19, 20 20, when Steve suggested for me to do that. I would have made$200,000 in the house that I was thinking about buying. If I would've just bit the bullet. And done it. Wow. But I didn't do it. Dang. So You're listening to this podcast right now. And you're thinking and this is not financial advice by the way. If you're listening to the podcast and you're like, man, There's this deal in real estate. I know what's worth more than what I'm going to pay for it. Find a freakin way to do it. You can buy a house for a 3% down. If you have income. You have W2 income, you can buy a 3% down. And I was worried about the AC breaking and the roof and all this junk. When in reality, if I had done that deal, none of that, would it matter if the AC broke, I could have taken a hilar out. There are a million ways I could have made it work with who put it on a credit card. If I didn't have the money. But I was scared. Yeah. And so fear will hold you back from so much. But. Sorry for that tirade. It's yeah, no. It's so true, but you gotta, you gotta go through those experiences of missing out on opportunities today, you know, to take the next one. Just, just don't keep missing them. That's right. Yeah. As you're running out of time. That's it. And, and also listen to people who are smart. I'm sure it's been the same case for you, the smart people in my life. And you can see when someone's successful. It's abundantly clear. And it's even more clear when they, you know, they're successful, but they don't look like they are. Those are my favorite people will listen to. Yeah. Cause sometimes you peek under the hood. Some I'll pull up in a beat up Toyota Camry, but they're pulling up to their private jet. I've seen it. Wow. It's okay. It's the craziest thing, because they it's all about practicality for them. And yeah. So those are the people I want to listen to because. It's like, how do you be humble, but still live life of your dreams is my favorite thing. So that's awesome. Well, Hey, we're coming up on our time here. I want to ask the last question I ask every guest. Yeah. And we kind of feel like hit on it, but I want to see what your perspective is. And that is what is a connection that changed the trajectory of your life or business. It could be to a group of people or a person. Yeah, I would say it was meeting Nate. Through action academy. He allowed me to join this company and, and have an opportunity that hits. All three things that I've never found a. Income opportunity. Now it allows me to hit all three things, doing things on a skill that something that lights me up. And something that I'm passionate about. And honestly, I never even, I never even could have predicted that this type of role, I don't want to call it a job, but whatever you call, whatever I do, if this role is even possible Sometimes I have to pinch myself, like I'm dreaming. How do I get to do all this, work within this hostile business, ultimately own hostels here shortly. And, and, you know, do stuff that I love doing, like creating video marketing traveling around, being able to go wherever I want. Yeah, honestly, I would say it was my dreams, but I couldn't have, even what I'm doing is my dreams. The exact, the exact thing I didn't even have as like an idea that will be possible. So, wow. Thanks Nate. Dude, man dog. Thank you too. If you're listening to this. Yeah, really hostile right now. I appreciate you for hooking me up and allow me to come and experience this. So. Man, Brandon spins such a fun episode. Thanks so much for coming on the show. And I'm super excited to see what comes It's. Man, I just I'm in saying this is like a freaking broken record van. What is coming up? For all the people that have on my show. I'm just so excited for everybody. And for me to what's, what's happening is unbelievable. Yeah. So I'm excited to keep going over to Newport. So, yeah. Thanks man. It's been a great three weeks hanging out. Yeah. Dude, I have safe travels going home. So if you guys are here at the end of the episode, I just want to take a second and tell you a big fat personal thank you for listening to the episode and making it to the end here. If you can, if you can just leave a five-star review on Spotify or apple podcasts, wherever you're listening, it means the world. To me, it's the best way for a podcast to grow. And then also, if you could share it with a friend, if you got something out of this, it also helps the podcast grow so much. So thanks again. And I'll catch you guys on the next episode.